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[SquirleyWurley]

Link: Messianic Jewish Church won't appeal Israeli Court Ruling

On Dec. 24, 2005, during a baptismal service in Beer Sheva, a group of about 200 men pushed their way into a small, covered structure being used to baptize two new Christians and tried to stop the service. Police were called to the scene but could not control the crowd.

Once inside the building, the assailants tossed patio chairs, damaged audiovisual equipment, threw a grill and other items into a baptismal pool, pushed Bass into the pool and broke his glasses.

In the days before the riot, Yad L'Achim issued notices to people about a "mass baptism" scheduled to take place at the facility in the city of 187,900 people, 51 miles (83 kilometers) southwest of Jerusalem. In the days after the riot, Deri bragged about the incident on a radio talk show, including a boast that Bass had been "baptized" at the gathering.


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The 2005 incident was the second time the church had to deal with an attack after Yad L'Achim disseminated false information about their activities.

On Nov. 28, 1998, a crowd of roughly 1,000 protestors broke into a Yeshua's Inheritance service after the anti-Christian group spread a rumor that three busloads of kidnapped Jewish minors were being brought in for baptism. The assailants threw rocks, spit on parishioners and attempted to seize some of their children, Bass said.


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The judge issued his decision May 24. Bass read about the decision on May 30 on a government website. The judge ruled that Bass' attorneys did not prove that the rabbi or the group incited the riot.

"He's saying what happened inside the walls is separate from what happened outside the walls," Bass said.

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Bass said he understands that not appealing the court loss may lead to the impression that his faith community accepts the judge's ruling, and because of that, some people in Israel may now side with Yad L'Achim and other anti-Messianic groups.

"We've leaving ourselves open to all kinds of opinions," he said.

But Bass said he is looking at the case in the long term and through the eyes of God. He said that Jesus' trial was the perfect example of a public defeat and a travesty of justice that God used in a great way.

"His court case seemed like a loss according to the world at the time," Bass said.

[SteveC]

It's quite sad.

[SteveC]

That's what happens when scriptures teach death and destruction. It's too bad god couldn't lead by example. Jews, Christians, Muslims - they all had the same mentor.

[SteveC]

Not to be undone,

Fla. church to host a 'Burn a Koran Day' on Sept. 11

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/07/fla-church-to-host-a-burn-a-koran-day-on-sept-11/1

[SquirleyWurley]

Murder, stealing, bearing false witness/slander, are of these are against the Law of God.

If someone lies about how many conversions and baptisms are occuring, in targeting some opposed group's event, for the sole purpose of misleading people so as to foster lawless violence, that is clearly not Lawful.  There are several points where the spirit as well as the letter of the Law are violated.

If someone steals books and burns them, hoping that people will be roused to beat up others in the streets, again stealing and lawless violence, is clearly not Lawful.  If the books are their own property, and there is clear repudiation of any kind of lawless violence, then you can't complain about stealing or endorsement of lawless violence.

[SteveC]

Murder, stealing, bearing false witness/slander, are of these are against the Law of God.

If someone lies about how many conversions and baptisms are occuring, in targeting some opposed group's event, for the sole purpose of misleading people so as to foster lawless violence, that is clearly not Lawful.  There are several points where the spirit as well as the letter of the Law are violated.

If someone steals books and burns them, hoping that people will be roused to beat up others in the streets, again stealing and lawless violence, is clearly not Lawful.  If the books are their own property, and there is clear repudiation of any kind of lawless violence, then you can't complain about stealing or endorsement of lawless violence.

I can complain about anything I want. I don't see any Christians burning Bibles. Why don't they throw a few Bibles in the fire with the Korans? There are some mental torments that are more painful than punch in the face.

[SquirleyWurley]

Hey I like all kinds of fires, myself.  There's fires for rejoicing, there's fires for letting go of something old and cherished, there's fires for destroying things that are detested, there's fires for hamburgers, etc.

Burning an old and tattered Bible might be thought of as more respectful than throwing it in the trash.  One may enjoy a Holy Fire.

The whole point of throwing Koran's into the fire is that Islam is of Satan, though.  It's not a respectful burning.

[SteveC]

Hey I like all kinds of fires, myself.  There's fires for rejoicing, there's fires for letting go of something old and cherished, there's fires for destroying things that are detested, there's fires for hamburgers, etc.

Burning an old and tattered Bible might be thought of as more respectful than throwing it in the trash.  One may enjoy a Holy Fire.

The whole point of throwing Koran's into the fire is that Islam is of Satan, though.  It's not a respectful burning.

If Islam is the poster child for Satan, Christianity would be Islam's retired older brother.

[SquirleyWurley]

We are all sinners, falling far short.

[SteveC]

We are all sinners, falling far short.

Not me, I'm sure to surpass almost everybody in the sin department. Falling short is not an option.

[SquirleyWurley]

The self-righteous don't know they are sinners and bluster before the Judge as if they are owed something or may manipulate to suit themselves.

A sinner who knows they are a sinner might humble themselves and throw themselves before the Judge pleading mercy.  That's what Jesus Christ called sinners to do, to come to Him in humble repentance, pleading for mercy, desiring to start over and to become holy.

[SteveC]

The self-righteous don't know they are sinners and bluster before the Judge as if they are owed something or may manipulate to suit themselves.

A sinner who knows they are a sinner might humble themselves and throw themselves before the Judge pleading mercy.  That's what Jesus Christ called sinners to do, to come to Him in humble repentance, pleading for mercy, desiring to start over and to become holy.

Well, I'm not expecting much of anything, nor do I feel like I'm owed anything.

A god should be able to communicate its desired to everyone, not to a select few, and not through a few hand picked prophets. An intelligent god ought to know that spreading its words through imperfect beings has inherent dangers , the most serious is that the message will get screwed up.

There are billions of people, all equally worthy to hear god's words firsthand and not through a stupid messenger and not through an old fossil of a book. Until that day happens, I don't need to humble myself before anything, because nothing has demanded such an act.

[SquirleyWurley]

Well, I'm not expecting much of anything, nor do I feel like I'm owed anything.

A god should be able to communicate its desired to everyone, not to a select few, and not through a few hand picked prophets.

Do you think there are differences between being able, being willing, and deciding to do something?  God is able to communicate His desire to everyone; He doesn't owe such communication to everyone.

You expect that God owes you a type of communication that meets your standards?

There are billions of people, all equally worthy to hear god's words firsthand

Say's who, and upon what alleged basis?

What we are worthy of is an eternity separated from God's good gifts.  Hell.

We are not worthy of clear communication from God unless He deems it so, and He may communicate as a pure act of mercy, as a gift, to whomever He wishes.

[SteveC]

Well, I'm not expecting much of anything, nor do I feel like I'm owed anything.

A god should be able to communicate its desired to everyone, not to a select few, and not through a few hand picked prophets.

Do you think there are differences between being able, being willing, and deciding to do something?

Those differences are human traits.

God is able to communicate His desire to everyone; He doesn't owe such communication to everyone.

That's not a god you're talking about, and certainly not the Christian god.

You expect that God owes you a type of communication that meets your standards?

Nobody owes me anything and that includes any gods that may be out there.

There are billions of people, all equally worthy to hear god's words firsthand

Say's who, and upon what alleged basis?

You and your Christian brethren do, because you claim we are to be judged when we die.

What we are worthy of is an eternity separated from God's good gifts.  Hell.

There's your basis.

We are not worthy of clear communication from God unless He deems it so, and He may communicate as a pure act of mercy, as a gift, to whomever He wishes.

That's a rather immature and bigoted perception.

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