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[Palmtree]

Topic has been split. I hope it worked correctly.

The split was successful, but it is "locked" and there is no tab to select "reply" or to post into the new thread. You may want to try to label it with a unique name too!

[CCC460]

palm,

that other thread was just a notice that the topic was split into this thread. I should have re-named the thread, but I didn't. I don't think I can rename it at this point.

Anyways, this is the thread where the discussion can continue.

[Palmtree]

CCC,
I want you to know in advance that I'm not personally attacking you and your beliefs, but rather, I've described below my perception of religions whom have become apostate.  Much of my immediate family is Catholic, but they are as unfamiliar with the scriptures today as they were when I began learning the scriptures. I cannot discuss biblical Christianity with them at all. We have no common ground beyond Christ being crucified and resurrected.


I was raised Catholic and was given a little palm-held NT bible at my confirmation. This was the first time that I had ever cracked open a bible, I was around age 14. I didn't know enough to understand that the OT was missing! It was very difficult to read for me at the time, but I became intrigued enough with what little that I had read, to return to it again and again. I understood very little at first, but that little NT bible began my spiritual journey; though I didn't know it at the time. When I later understood why the OT wasn't there, it became  part of the catalyst which caused me to fully denounce my Catholic affiliation, forever.

After I became an adult and departed my father's household, I joined a non-denominational Protestant church and began deeply studying the OT on my own. Despite the church's recommendations to read the NIV, I learned early on that there were many other bibles on the market. My curiosity caused me to research the differences in the many bible versions; and i had concluded that most of them were not bibles at all; but were instead counterfeit bibles. I wanted the most genuine bible that money could buy and ultimately discovered that there were none available in my native language.

Despite the requirement from the pulpit to use the NIV, (which I perceived to be a counterfeit bible), I finally determined that the 1769 KJV was the only English bible which allowed tangible access to the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic texts. That is, indirect access, using the onboard-linked concordance and lexicons. Several years of reading the KJV caused me to recognize the myriad of differences between what I was reading, and what was being actually taught from the pulpit. To my horror, I had concluded that the Protestants had become as apostate over the years as the Catholics had become! I was stunned!


Many people whom I had spoken with, considered and proclaimed the scriptures as the word of God, but hardly anyone actually read their bibles objectively and without an outside church influence. IOW, they were bringing their pre-conceived notions; which had been taught to them from the pulpit, and superimposed them onto the scriptures. I was appalled by this practice and quickly understood that this had been occurring throughout history.

It compelled me to study the worlds religions; Judaism, Adventists, Mormons, Methodists, Episcopalians, Amish, this list can go on and on; but I had determined that NONE of them had remained faithful to the scriptures. Sadly, to this day, I have found no faithful institution on Earth. The scriptures became and remains the only trusted and untainted source for the gospel of Jesus Christ; and that is true only in the original untranslated texts.

I've also discovered that the so-called sacred cannons and traditionally held  hermeneutics, did not account at all for Christ's declaration; that He only taught in parables. Incorporating this discovery into my studies opened the scriptures in ways that had never been taught before in history. A bible calendar of history was also discovered; which again, had never been taught in history. Nearly every scholar which I've been in contact with, has rejected these discoveries in the name of heresy; just like you have here today.

So, you see, I've become quite accustomed to being called an heretic. Today, I consider it to be quite an honor to be called an heretic! For, the world is filled with institutions in nearly every city, which have been built with ONLY the name of Christ, but have no connection whatsoever to the Word of God, or to the body of Christ. The scriptures have changed me forever, and in ways which I could not have fathomed or planned for way back when my spiritual journey first began, with my little NT palm-held bible.

[CCC460]

Palm,

thanks for your reply. I want to discuss this further, but my time is very limited right now, and it might be a while before getting back to you.

maybe we can pick this up later on when i return, but I do appreciate your responding back.
Obviously, we disagree on much. Maybe we can pick this up again later.

[charliejohn]

CCC-"And it also means that men have a lot to answer for at their judgement."

Palmtree-"Now you've done it! You've really struck a nerve here! Judgment! What Judgment is there for Christians?? Are you unaware that Christ has FULLY and COMPLETELY paid the penalty for ANY and ALL Judgment. Therefore, there can be NO Judgment upon God's elect, NONE! The sacrifice of Christ has set FREE those whom would have been under God's Judgment; TOTALLY FREE! To claim that there is some kind of  "future" Judgment upon Christians, is to deny the very sacrifice of Jesus Christ! How is it possible for a Christian to have missed such a fundamental Christian principle??"

I totally agree Palmtree. You hit it on the head. Because of what Jesus did on the cross, there is no judgement for those who have accepted Him as Lord. Thank you Lord Jesus. 

[Palmtree]

CCC-"And it also means that men have a lot to answer for at their judgement."

Palmtree-"Now you've done it! You've really struck a nerve here! Judgment! What Judgment is there for Christians?? Are you unaware that Christ has FULLY and COMPLETELY paid the penalty for ANY and ALL Judgment. Therefore, there can be NO Judgment upon God's elect, NONE! The sacrifice of Christ has set FREE those whom would have been under God's Judgment; TOTALLY FREE! To claim that there is some kind of  "future" Judgment upon Christians, is to deny the very sacrifice of Jesus Christ! How is it possible for a Christian to have missed such a fundamental Christian principle??"

I totally agree Palmtree. You hit it on the head. Because of what Jesus did on the cross, there is no judgement for those who have accepted Him as Lord. Thank you Lord Jesus.  

CJ,
It is indeed appropriate, to give thanks and praise to the Lord; because the concepts which I've previously mentioned, have completely originated with the Word of the Lord; which I've placed below for you to read for yourself......


^{Romans 8:1-2
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death..}

[charliejohn]

Palmtree -"CJ,
It is indeed appropriate, to give thanks and praise to the Lord; because the concepts which I've previously mentioned, have completely originated with the Word of the Lord; which I've placed below for you to read for yourself...... "


Romans 8:1-2
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death..

CJ- Yes, I agree. Is very comforting to know that we are not condemned but have eternal life because of Jesus. Thank you again for your wisdom concerning the word of God. I'm sure you have helped many others who have read your posts concerning this very crucial important teaching. 

[charliejohn]

Palmtree, I called two different bookstores in my area to inquire about purchasing a 1769 KJV bible with original Hebrew, Greek and Aramiac texts but none could be found. Where did you get yours from? Also what differences is there between the 1611 KJV and the 1769 KJV besides the Hebrew, Greek and Aramiac text in the 1769 KJV? (I have a STRONG'S EXPANDED EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE of the Bible (RED-LETTER Edition). 

[Palmtree]

Palmtree, I called two different bookstores in my area to inquire about purchasing a 1769 KJV bible with original Hebrew, Greek and Aramiac texts but none could be found. Where did you get yours from? Also what differences is there between the 1611 KJV and the 1769 KJV besides the Hebrew, Greek and Aramiac text in the 1769 KJV? (I have a STRONG'S EXPANDED EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE of the Bible (RED-LETTER Edition).  

Perhaps, you've misunderstood a bit, CJ. The KJV is an English translation, from the original Hebrew, Greek, and, Aramaic; with a very tiny latin influence. That is in comparision to something like the very popular NIV; which is an English translation from the Latin. So, the Latin influence is very strong in the NIV (as with most other modern bibles); which distorts much of the meaning of the scriptures.

Another helpful difference wth the 1769 KJV, is there are on-board linked bible tools available; such as a Strongs Concordance, along with Hebrew and Greek lexicons. Morever, if utilized in an electronic format, on a PC, it greatly enhances your ease of learning. I tend to shy away from red-letter bibles, because all of the scriptures are God inspired, and therefore, are as equally important as the spoken words of Christ.

I do not use a Windows or a Mac operating system, however, I'm aware of a website where you can download the full KJV with the on-board bible helps for FREE, for Windows or Mac! How cool is that! The link below, is to download the "basic" program (14.8MB); which is the starter pack for somone using Windows XP. There is also a link on the page for MAC if necessary. I've used this software before, and can vouch for it being perfectly safe, as well as, spyware free software.

Enjoy!!........

http://www.onlinebible.net/    

[charliejohn]

Awesome. Thank you Palmtree. 

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