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[LeahOne]

Those are the extremists. I know of no Liberal/Progressive/Democrat that actually believes, or has said, that we have to get rid of all guns, or even wants to challenge what some perceive to be our right to bear arms. That Liberals do is just another fantasy of the Right.

Well, there was this one 'road rage' fatality which involved a crossbow.....

That's nice.... but the topic is firearms - guns. You know... things that shoot bullets. Just because the woman was from a certain area of the country does not mean she was Liberal.

It's the same prinicple involved.  Weapons do not kill people, people using weapons is the problem.  I think that's been explained elsewhere?

 And I don't know how to explain to you about MA politics, but let's remember (the late) Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank are not considered particularly 'liberal' here at home ....they're more like 'average'.  Pretty much by definition, any Dem in MA is quite liberal.  Do you remember the bumper sticker "Don't blame me - I'm from Massachusetts!"?  And we're not even talking about the People's Republic of Cambridge, where kiddies who go trick-or-treating can expect to collect a salad.  Organically grown, of course..... 

  But here's a blurb about her:
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/editorial/documents/01803514.htm

[mytmouse57]

As a liberal... I feel safe in saying that there are some extremists who would limit our freedom of speech with PC speech being mandated, and there are those who would get rid of our right to bear arms as well.

Yes, I think we should go back to the meaning of the Second Amendment historically, and that people should have the right to keep and bear arms-- all muzzle-loaders.

Using that reasoning then, freedom of speech should not extend beyond the manually-powered printing press, or such P.A. amplification technology as was available in the late Sixteenth Century.

Hey, after what I've been seeing passing for "news" in the last couple of decades, I actually would be strongly in favor of the above. 

LOL! Yeah, the world might be a better place if Rush Limbaugh was limited to only screaming through his cupped hands.

[SteveC]

As a liberal... I feel safe in saying that there are some extremists who would limit our freedom of speech with PC speech being mandated, and there are those who would get rid of our right to bear arms as well.

Yes, I think we should go back to the meaning of the Second Amendment historically, and that people should have the right to keep and bear arms-- all muzzle-loaders.

Using that reasoning then, freedom of speech should not extend beyond the manually-powered printing press, or such P.A. amplification technology as was available in the late Sixteenth Century.

Hey, after what I've been seeing passing for "news" in the last couple of decades, I actually would be strongly in favor of the above. 

LOL! Yeah, the world might be a better place if Rush Limbaugh was limited to only screaming through his cupped hands.

I'm glad to see Rush was turned down by the NFL. They didn't need to give legitimacy to that mouth. 

[Mountain_Man]

I know a fair number of liberals here in Chicago who would like to ban firearms altogether, actually.

I didn't come across any in Berkeley. The liberals out here are few in number and the ones I know all own guns themselves. I don't, but they do. I do not like guns and they are not allowed on my property. However, that's my right and I have no desire to ban firearms.

[Mountain_Man]

Well, there was this one 'road rage' fatality which involved a crossbow.....

That's nice.... but the topic is firearms - guns. You know... things that shoot bullets. Just because the woman was from a certain area of the country does not mean she was Liberal.

It's the same prinicple involved. [/quote]

Uh.... no, it is not. What this thread has morphed into is a talk about the alleged right to bear arms. That is taken to mean guns, not other weapons.

Weapons do not kill people, people using weapons is the problem.  I think that's been explained elsewhere?

It has been explained many times and I agree with it.

And I don't know how to explain to you about MA politics....

Don't try. I'm not interested. Maine has less than 4% of the US population and not much, if any, of what I do or think, has anything to do with how Maine thinks about anything.

[SteveC]

Well, there was this one 'road rage' fatality which involved a crossbow.....

That's nice.... but the topic is firearms - guns. You know... things that shoot bullets. Just because the woman was from a certain area of the country does not mean she was Liberal.

It's the same prinicple involved.

Uh.... no, it is not. What this thread has morphed into is a talk about the alleged right to bear arms. That is taken to mean guns, not other weapons.

Weapons do not kill people, people using weapons is the problem.  I think that's been explained elsewhere?

It has been explained many times and I agree with it.

And I don't know how to explain to you about MA politics....

Don't try. I'm not interested. Maine has less than 4% of the US population and not much, if any, of what I do or think, has anything to do with how Maine thinks about anything.

MA refers to Massachusetts. Maine is ME, not to be confused with me personally.

[Mountain_Man]

MA refers to Massachusetts. Maine is ME, not to be confused with me personally.

I'm not at all interested in the politics of either.

My new cat must be interested though. She keeps walking across my keyboard. She, along with the rest of her litter mates, were dumped out here in the country by some idiots from the city. She is the lucky one. Her brothers and sisters got run over on the road or eaten by something bigger.

[mytmouse57]

As a liberal... I feel safe in saying that there are some extremists who would limit our freedom of speech with PC speech being mandated, and there are those who would get rid of our right to bear arms as well.

Yes, I think we should go back to the meaning of the Second Amendment historically, and that people should have the right to keep and bear arms-- all muzzle-loaders.

Using that reasoning then, freedom of speech should not extend beyond the manually-powered printing press, or such P.A. amplification technology as was available in the late Sixteenth Century.

Hey, after what I've been seeing passing for "news" in the last couple of decades, I actually would be strongly in favor of the above. 

LOL! Yeah, the world might be a better place if Rush Limbaugh was limited to only screaming through his cupped hands.

I'm glad to see Rush was turned down by the NFL. They didn't need to give legitimacy to that mouth. 

I think Glenn Beck has stolen his status as chief right-wing whacko anyway. Poor Rush, nobody cares anymore.

[LeahOne]

MA refers to Massachusetts. Maine is ME, not to be confused with me personally.

I'm not at all interested in the politics of either.

My new cat must be interested though. She keeps walking across my keyboard. She, along with the rest of her litter mates, were dumped out here in the country by some idiots from the city. She is the lucky one. Her brothers and sisters got run over on the road or eaten by something bigger.

And you know these people were form the city, do you?  So, did you see them - ro get their plate number to trace it?
Or do you just gratuitously assume they must've been from 'the city' because they were jerks?

The way you assume that MA or ME, it makes no difference because why?  Because you decided so?   LOL  : ))

[Mountain_Man]

And you know these people were form the city, do you?  ....

Didn't care. I am not the one that was prejudging someone just because they were from a certain geographic area.

[LeahOne]

Quote from: LeahOne on October 15, 2009, 08:27:50 PM
And you know these people were form the city, do you?  ....
Didn't care. I am not the one that was prejudging someone just because they were from a certain geographic area.

LOL, actually MM - you did exactly that, given that 'the city' could be construed as a geographic area.

OTOH,  I LIVE in MA and so knew who the legislator was, and what her political POV tended to be.  Which is hardly 'prejudging' someone.

Next time I'll spell it all out for you, just so you don't make that mistake again.  Even though you don't care what goes on in ME or MA....  : ))

Maybe you can explain to the rest of us which US states are worthy of notice, and which should be ignored?    One does wonder what are your criteria .....

[LeahOne]

Quote from: LeahOne on October 15, 2009, 08:27:50 PM
And you know these people were form the city, do you?  ....
Didn't care. I am not the one that was prejudging someone just because they were from a certain geographic area.

LOL, actually MM - you did exactly that, given that 'the city' could be construed as a geographic area.

OTOH,  I LIVE in MA and so knew who the legislator was, and what her political POV tended to be.  Which is hardly 'prejudging' someone.

Next time I'll spell it all out for you, just so you don't make that mistake again.  Even though you don't care what goes on in ME or MA....  : ))

Maybe you can explain to the rest of us which US states' politics are worthy of notice, and which should be ignored?    One does wonder what are your criteria .....

[Mountain_Man]

LOL, actually MM - you did exactly that, given that 'the city' could be construed as a geographic area.....

Your claim was that some person from the "metro west" or whatever silly term you used was a gun hating liberal, or some such belief. You were the one to prejudge someone because of their geographic location.  

If you want me to read past the first line and answer some of your questions; don't start with such silliness.

[LeahOne]

LOL, actually MM - you did exactly that, given that 'the city' could be construed as a geographic area.....

Your claim was that some person from the "metro west" or whatever silly term you used was a gun hating liberal, or some such belief. You were the one to prejudge someone because of their geographic location.  

If you want me to read past the first line and answer some of your questions; don't start with such silliness.

"And yes, a MA state representative did try to get crossbows outlawed as a result.  She wasn't from the People's Republic of Cambridge, but she was from Metrowest which is pretty nonconservative by MA standards.... "

Not just 'some person':  a state legislator.

Nothing about 'gun-hating', nor was the word 'liberal' used.

I stated none of what you chose to incorrectly infer from my words. 

Just goes to show, MM, what a person can miss by prejudging another poster's words. 

Oh, and it was more than mere 'claim', as you insisted on describing it:  it actually happened.  Shall I find you links to the news articles?

[Mountain_Man]

Your claim was that some person from the "metro west" or whatever silly term you used was a gun hating liberal, or some such belief. You were the one to prejudge someone because of their geographic location.  

If you want me to read past the first line and answer some of your questions; don't start with such silliness.

"And yes, a MA state representative did try to get crossbows outlawed as a result.  She wasn't from the People's Republic of Cambridge, but she was from Metrowest which is pretty nonconservative by MA standards.... "

Not just 'some person':  a state legislator....

You still made the claim.

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