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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2009, 11:19:43 AM » |
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So what? How does that justify his cowardly or sadistic behavior ( = silently watching while innocent people have to suffer)?
Well the numerous inane posts by you could be considered sadistic behavior that cause great suffering to innocent people as well.  However, you most probably don't intend it that way, so that should tell you something. It seems as if the perception and the reality are different things. So let me get this straight: Some innocent person is suffering. I'm not intervening though I could. I'm a coward/sadist. Some innocent person is suffering. BibleGod is not intervening though he could. He's a loving being. Is that it? |
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« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2009, 11:27:10 AM » |
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umm...... no.
Try...... perception and reality.
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« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2009, 12:19:50 PM » |
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umm...... no.
Try...... perception and reality.
What do you mean? Please expand ... And what's wrong about my statements? Some innocent person is suffering. I'm not intervening though I could. I'm a coward/sadist. Some innocent person is suffering. BibleGod is not intervening though he could. He's a loving being. |
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« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2009, 12:44:20 PM » |
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I am asserting that your perceptions about God's action/inaction are wrong because you are unwilling to acknowledge any other possibilities to answer to the problem of pain and suffering.
Wrong presumptions tend to lead to wrong conclusions.
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« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2009, 02:42:49 PM » |
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I am asserting that your perceptions about God's action/inaction are wrong because you are unwilling to acknowledge any other possibilities to answer to the problem of pain and suffering.
Wrong presumptions tend to lead to wrong conclusions. Can you give an example of your God intervening to protect the innocent from harm, pain and suffering? If not then I have to assume he's a coward or sadist. Or are we humans taken to a higher standard than your God? |
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« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2009, 03:14:02 PM » |
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If not then I have to assume he's a coward or sadist. Or are we humans taken to a higher standard than your God?
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« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2009, 05:33:34 PM » |
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Some feel that the issue re: the fall was that humankind decided to reject God's leadership and direction. For this reason, cutting short a human's worldly life allowed for a limit to the corresponding devastation of the soul that humanity would bring to itself. That we subject ourselves to our own evils and to Satan's influence, is part of the Fall. God in His mercy gives us many good things despite all that, even in this life, despite our continued rebellion and stubbornness.
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« Reply #82 on: June 02, 2009, 01:52:19 AM » |
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If not then I have to assume he's a coward or sadist. Or are we humans taken to a higher standard than your God?
But what if God works in ways that you don't acknowledge? Then your assumption would be wrong. could you give a relevant example of such workings? |
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« Reply #83 on: June 02, 2009, 09:55:50 AM » |
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Mother Teresa's mission to the poor.
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« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2009, 01:32:56 AM » |
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Mother Teresa's mission to the poor. Assuming that to be a valid example: So your God is only able to work through humans and do what any humans could do?? |
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« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2009, 07:11:17 AM » |
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Assuming that to be a valid example: So your God is only able to work through humans and do what any humans could do??
Why do you assume that God is only able to work through humans? Have you ever considered that possibly God chose human cooperation with His will to be the way in which He accomplishes His work? |
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« Reply #86 on: June 03, 2009, 07:26:41 AM » |
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Assuming that to be a valid example: So your God is only able to work through humans and do what any humans could do??
Why do you assume that God is only able to work through humans? Have you ever considered that possibly God chose human cooperation with His will to be the way in which He accomplishes His work? I had to assume this because you came up with an example involving a human doing something. Do you have an example of your God doing something (like helping) by himself? |
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« Reply #87 on: June 03, 2009, 07:58:15 AM » |
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Celsus,
Please answer the question.
Have you ever considered that possibly God chose human cooperation with His will to be the way in which He accomplishes His work?
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« Reply #88 on: June 03, 2009, 08:15:37 AM » |
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Celsus,
Please answer the question.
Have you ever considered that possibly God chose human cooperation with His will to be the way in which He accomplishes His work? Of course. But you can't prove that. All you can come up with is HUMANS doing stuff. I don't see your God doing anything by himself. |
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« Reply #89 on: June 03, 2009, 08:33:51 AM » |
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You stated that God was a coward or a sadist.
I replied by asserting that God works in ways that you do not acknowledge.
You asked for an example.
I gave you one.
You didn't like the example and now demand great signs and wonders, but that doesn't change the fact that I gave an answer. You just don't like it.
so it goes back to my original thought that you have alerady determined the outcome and your assumptions are based on that pre-determined decision.
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