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[wiscidea]

I reject artificial meat products -- vegan ham, vegan sausage, vegan beef, et cetera -- just because... well, for no particular reason. If a person is going to avoid meat, then avoid meat. If you are doing it for moral reasons, why eat the fake cows? Would you eat fake human?!  And if you are doing it for health reasons, do you really want to consume all the weird stuff one has to combine to get a fake meat product? And all the processing that goes into it can't be good for the environment. I suspect a plate full of well-prepared vegis -- vs. a plate full of fake meat -- is better for your karma, your health, and the environment.

So...

What do you all think about fake meat?

Hey... we could merge religion and the fake meat topic!!!   Is it okay for Jews and Muslims to eat fake pork products? Can one combine dairy and fake meat? Would eating human-flavored fake meat violate prohibitions of cannibalism? Can God tell the difference between burnt real meat and burnt fake meat offerings?

 

[VG59]

YOu mean you haven't heard of hufu?

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=hufu&hl=en&emb=1&aq=f#

[VG59]

Being a former Seventh Day Adventist I grew up on texturized vegetable protein from a can, freezer or dried and soaked with water.

I think the products suck. Sorry Adventist and other vegetarians but they are AWFUL.

They do not taste remotely like meat and take the individual ingredients of the product and totally mess them over in the processing. 

I find no moral issue with them as if one is not eating meat for moral reasons it is because of the killing of and eating of an animal.

What these products do is they fill a void in the former meat eater's life.  Where that nice tastey steak once sat on your plate, well now you have a hunk of soy protein WOHOO!!!

That being said, something does have to fill the void on that side of the plate and it needs to be a good source of complete protein. 

Adventists are actually pretty good at concocting "loafs" from various beans/legumes.  If seasoned properly and a nice gravy is prepared, they are not that bad. 

I would actually make an OK vegetarian if my household would tolerate it.  I like beans and I can get innovative with them.  I love pasta fazul.  I  make a great minestrone soup and my husband has a great ribbolita soup recipe. 

Vegetarian tacos/burritos with beans, fresh advocado, lettuce, grilled veggies, yellow rice, a high quality cheese and salsa.  Well it is a complete protein and a tasty and filling meal. 

Chick peas, well hummous, I love it too.  And a good source of protein. 

The thing about protein is that we don't need nearly as much of it as we eat.  Much of our protein is metabolized as energy rather than complex carbohydrates.  I am thinking that the minimum protein necessary is 50 grams for a woman 60 if she is pregnant.  Well 50 grams of protein is 200 calories.  That is about 3-6 ounce of meat depending on the type of meat.  It isn't all that much when you think about it.  All of which can be met through the combination of grains. 

Well we have exhausted my nutritional knowledge, so I will now go and see if I can find the make a vegetarian loaf website for you........

[VG59]

Here you go, this site will assure you complete protein. 

http://www.veganlunchbox.com/loaf_studio.html

I don't think the Adventists always know how to season things though.  I'd take suggestions for seasoning from gourmet recipies else where and "doctor" them up. 

[Metis]

What do you all think about fake meat?

Generally speaking, I avoid it.  Even if the taste were to be acceptable, the amount of chemicals used to make it palatable is daunting.  Since my wife is from Italy, there are a great many dishes that are entirely vegetarian, and you'll also find this true with much of Jewish cuisine, especially Sephardic, as well. 

[VG59]

As you can see I am not much into debating this afternoon.  

And truth be told, damn grading papers.

And truth be told, the sun is over the yardarm and I am going to have a wine in a little while.

This isn't a meat but a great and hearty grain I came across this month: farro.

It is chewier and heartier than risotto but cooks very much the same.

This source says that it has twice the protein as its cousin whole wheat.

http://www.feelgoodeats.com/whole-grain-recipes/farro-spelt.html

When I cooked up mine I did it once with chicken broth and once with vegetable broth.  I added a half cup of high grade asagio cheese and a few minutes before serving I stirred in diced eggplant, zuchinni and ASPARAGUS.  I did not want the vegetables to get mushy. It was OMG good.  And filling.  

A plate of well cooked farro, you won't miss the meat analog whatsoever.  

[Metis]

And truth be told, damn grading papers.

Did that for 36 years until I retired.

 BTW, I know with certainty there is a "hell", 'cause that's when they open up the casket and throw a bunch of papers in and say "Grade these".

[VG59]

And truth be told, damn grading papers.

Did that for 36 years until I retired.

 BTW, I know with certainty there is a "hell", 'cause that's when they open up the casket and throw a bunch of papers in and say "Grade these".

OH MOAN!!!!!  And I thought hell would just be a really uncomfortably warm place.

LOL.

I had three students that I had to dramatically mark down for plagiarism.  Two were minor and had a 50% deduction the other one was so major that by the time I took the 75% deduction and graded the paper he was in negative numbers for total points scored.  I just read a letter of apology from one, based on his ability to write a letter, it doesn't suprise me that the project was a cut and paste job.

I could rant further about the meetings that were scheduled, canceled and then impromptu meetings formed in the hallways while I was busting my ass with students.  I missed the summer planning meeting.  a meeting that happened some time during the lunch I was eating while talking to a book rep and the class I was teaching to the RNs.  The teachers that happened to be in the hall at the right time when they were swept up by the boss lady, well they just started their two hour afternoon block 40 minutes late.  And THIS CRAP HAPPENS TO THE STUDENTS ON A SEMI REGULAR BASIS.  And then we all get together and wonder what we are going to do to help our ESL population do better on their state boards!!  This complete lack of professional courtesy may cost them their only OB teacher on staff to not teach OB this summer.   My ass is burned. 

Oh the scenario with the book rep wasn't a courting lunch either, that doesn't happen in nursing academia.  It was a cell phone call, "I am on campus and your collegue thought you might be interested in looking at our OB?PEDS curriculum.  I say, "I am on the way to the cafeteria to get a cup of soup, if you can meet me there I can fit you in during my lunch".  So much for a 10 minute break today. 

Did I mention that when I give tests I have to give tests of three different mixes to prevent cheating and to grade three takes three times as long to just run through, analyze, look for mis keys, etc.......  Then students at my office door wanting to know when I will have them posted.  I usually have it up the same day, but there they sit in my car, I am too damn burned out tonight to care about their anxiety problem. 

So here I am staying away from debate tonight, talking about soy meat and asparagus. 

LOL.  I just took my kid to hockey and that was a nice diversion. 

Well tomorrow I will get up, go in and grade a stack of papers and enter them into the books before I work and eight hour with the students at the hospital.  I have a hunch we will leave early tomorrow evening. 

OK enough ranting.  I refrained from drinking wine tonight because of taking my kid to hockey but I am going to get my jammies on and take a sleeping pill. I need to be just knocked out completely for eigh hours......

[poi]

Wiscidea,If you don't like eating fake human,what are your thoughts about communion and transubstantiation?

[Maya3]

I'm vegetarian and I see no moral issues for with eating fake meat.
It's a little uncreative perhaps, made by a market that only think from a meat eating perspective and thinks that each meal has to look like a meat eaters meal.
But some of these products are truly tasty and they can be good for variation.
You are right that they are not too healthy, they have a lot of weird unpronounceable stuff in them and I don't eat them that often.
But if we barbeque and everyone else is having hot dogs and hamburgers it's fun if to eat something similar. It's hard to make a lentl or bean dish for example on the barbecue.

I did not know that 7 day Adventists are vegetarian, what is the philosophy behind it?

Maya

[CCC460]

How about Soylent Green?

[kwd111]

Throw on a nice juicy stake for me...  

I prefer organic, though!  I like the natural stuff!  Right along side a beautiful flower of broccoli.

[wiscidea]

Just an FYI...

This thread might appear out of place because we decided to merge environment and vegetarian debate into a morality and ethics forum... this permits people to bring up more diverse morality and ethics issues that don't fall into other categories.

I guess one could ask whether a "fake" experience is acceptable when the real experience is viewed as immoral. At the risk of derailing the thread, is a video game that simulates killing innocent people acceptable when actually killing people is not acceptable? Is it a "healthy" outlet? Or does it seriously violate the principle of the matter? I can't think of other examples right now. There... I've tried to turn this into more of a morality issue.

Peace.

[Kemay]

Throw on a nice juicy stake for me...

What kind of wood makes a nice juicy stake? Mesquite?   

As for fake meats, soy or otherwise, I eat them sometimes and enjoy them. I don't see anything wrong with that. The little sausage links from Morningstar Farms taste really good! So do Quorn products.

I'm too tired to address the moral issue of violent video games and so on so will read the thread later to see where it has led.    Personally, I don't see anything automatically wrong with them as long as they are used responsibly and/or as a healthy outlet for our impulses, and that they don't take over our lives or cause us to do actual violence, or do things that are harmful to ourselves or others.

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