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    Edmonson
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    « on: March 27, 2009, 10:15:07 PM »

    Hi, my name is Edmonson and I'm new here to the forum and have a question for Jehovah's Witnesses(or for anyone who can answer it). Why did the "Insight on the Scriptures" Bible encyclopedia, which replaced the "Aid to Bible Understanding" encyclopedia, change the Watchtower Society's definition and explanation of the human heart? I remember the old "Aid" book gave a very detailed explanation about how the human heart had all of these intricate nerve connections to human brain and how there was an interplay between the heart and the brain and how the heart was more than just a pump and had emotional capacity associated to it. However, thanks to the wonders of the interenet, I found a website that has a paragraph from the old "Aid" book article about the heart. And here is the paragraph:

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    "How Is Your Heart? … The heart, nevertheless, is intricately connected with the brain by the nervous system and is well supplied with sensory nerve endings. The sensations of the heart are recorded on the brain. It is here that the heart brings to bear on the mind its desires and its affections in arriving at conclusions having to do with motivations. In reverse flow, the mind feeds the heart with interpretations of the impulses from the senses and with conclusions reached that are based on the knowledge it has received, either at the moment or from the memory. There is a close interrelationship between the heart and the mind, but they are two different faculties, centering in different locations. The heart is a marvelously designed muscular pump, but, more significantly, our emotional and motivating capacities are built within it. Love, hate, desire (good and bad), preference for one thing over another, ambition, fear-in effect, all that serves to motivate us in relationship to our affections and desires springs from the heart. … It is significant that heart-transplant patients, where the nerves connecting the heart and brain are severed, have serious emotional problems after the operation. The new heart is still able to operate as a pump, it having its own power supply and timing mechanism independent of the general nervous system for giving impulse to the heart muscle, but just as it now responds only sluggishly to outside influences, the new heart in turn registers few, if any, clear factors of motivation on the brain. To what extent the nerve endings of the body and the new heart are able to make some connections in time is not clear, but this cannot be ruled out as one of the several factors causing the serious mental aberrations and disorientation that doctors report are observed in heart-transplant patients. These patients have donor-supplied pumps for their blood, but do they now have all the factors needed to say they have a "heart"? One thing is sure, in losing their own hearts, they have had taken away from them the capacities of "heart" built up in them over the years and which contributed to making them who they were as to personality."
    (Watchtower, 3/1/1971 p.133-139)

    http://www.bible.ca/Jw-changes.htm (From the 11th green subheading starting from the bottom of the page.)

    Now of course the artcle "Aid" book article was longer than that and I don't really remember the part about the heart transplant and I don't really agree with that part that says that "just as it now responds only sluggishly to outside influences, the new heart in turn registers few, if any, clear factors of motivation on the brain," however, I do remember the other information in the paragraph. But what I don't understand is why the Watchtower started off with one explanation about the heart, but then in the "Insight" book, they totally eliminated that information and said that the Bible's mention of the heart was only metaphorical. Also, as far as heart transplant patients go, I have read stories and have seen television programs where recipients of heart transplants have acquired characteristics and personality traits(that they didn't have before) from their donors. And below are some links to some articles about this:

    http://www.recorder.com/story.cfm?id_no=4877260

    http://www.sfms.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&SECTION=Article_Archives&CONTENTID=1540&TEMPLATE=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm

    http://www.news-medical.net/?id=37120

    http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=18249

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Cellular-Memories-in-Organ-Transplant-Recipients

    And of course there are the skeptics:

    http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/04/heart-transplants-and-cellular-memory.html

    And also here's an article with a certain amount of skepticism, but at the same time acknowledges some compelling cases which seem to support that "memories may be stored in the heart":

    http://medhum.blogspot.com/2006/06/mindshock-transplanting-memories.html

    But the reason why I am bring all of this up and asking this question is because not too long ago I was watching James and Betty Robison's television show, called "Life Today":

    http://www.lifetoday.org/site/PageServer

    and on the airing of the show that I saw, they had a guest doctor on the show(I forgot her name) who was discussing the concept of "The Brain in the Heart"(see article below):

    http://stanford.wellsphere.com/depression-article/the-brain-in-the-heart/268635

    But what struck me about what this doctor was discussing on "Life Today" was that what JWs were saying decades ago about the heart seemed to have been correct(and I know that everyone doesn't agree with this), but for some reason JWs did an about face on this. Was it because of criticsm from the medical and scientifice community? Also, do JWs presently have the same belief about the human heart or did they switch back to what they believed in decades ago in the "Aid" book which now seems to have scienticfic data to support that belief?
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    « Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 10:22:24 PM »

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    But what struck me about what this doctor was discussing on "Life Today" was that what JWs were saying decades ago about the heart seemed to have been correct(and I know that everyone doesn't agree with this), but for some reason JWs did an about face on this. Was it because of criticsm from the medical and scientifice community?

    I'm not so sure they have scientific data to support the belief. There seems to be a lot of skepticism/questions on both sides of the topic.

    Other similarly interesting topics are the debate on phantom pain (feeling pain in a joint or limb that has been amputated) and the 'pictures of the soul' via what is known as 'kirlian photography' where previously amputated limbs show up as if they were still there.

    How does this relate to the topic at hand? Well, first off, there are a lot of things going on in this world that we still don't understand. And secondly, and perhaps more importantly, is the question of where does the soul actually reside in the body?

    Christianity believes that life has a spiritual quality about it. Essentially we are spirits (living souls) placed inside a mortal shell (our body). When we die (physically), our soul lives on, and enters into the spirit world after being separated from our body. 'To be separated' is actually the root meaning of the word death. You can confirm this by checking with a major dictionary. While the primary definition of the word is 'cessation of life', theologically the word means separation from God. We also get a lot of popular phrases from our underlying ideas about the nature of death. 'the death of a friendship' - 'he is no longer with us' - get the idea?

    The JW's OTOH, believe that the soul resides specifically in the blood. When death occurs, the blood is 'shed' (so to speak) and the soul ceases to be in existence. On an interesting sidenote; if you dig deep in their theology you will find that this is essentially why they will not receive blood transfusions - they don't want to put another persons soul into their body.

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    Also, do JWs presently have the same belief about the human heart or did they switch back to what they believed in decades ago in the "Aid" book which now seems to have scienticfic data to support that belief?

    I have found in my studies that the JW's have traditionally held to many popular ideas as if they were 'God-given facts'.

    An excellent example of this is the idea that Jehovah lives on a planet in the Pleadies star system. They no longer adhere to this idea. I have seen them deny that they taught this back in the 30's. But the historical record stands. They taught it and believed it. It was 'food from Jehovah.' And, it was an idea that was in vogue with the general population at the time. When the idea fell out of popularity, so did their faith in the teaching.

    With recent interest in such spiritual matters rising in the general population, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the JW's hop on the bandwagon once more.

    Does the soul reside in the heart? Not in all cultures. There is a tribe of natives in Papua New Gunea believe that the soul lives in the stomach. When Wycliff went in to translate the Bible, the natives read the book and then went on their way with no impact on their lives. Why would they want Jesus 'in their heart?' It didn't make any sence to them.

    Then some smart cookie caught on to the cultural difference. The text was changed so that the understanding was Jesus wanted to come into their stomach. Now the people understood and they became Christians.
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    « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 06:54:57 PM »

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    Also, do JWs presently have the same belief about the human heart or did they switch back to what they believed in decades ago in the "Aid" book which now seems to have scienticfic data to support that belief?

    I have found in my studies that the JW's have traditionally held to many popular ideas as if they were 'God-given facts'.

    An excellent example of this is the idea that Jehovah lives on a planet in the Pleadies star system. They no longer adhere to this idea. I have seen them deny that they taught this back in the 30's. But the historical record stands. They taught it and believed it. It was 'food from Jehovah.' And, it was an idea that was in vogue with the general population at the time. When the idea fell out of popularity, so did their faith in the teaching.

    Hi, OneWhoSeeksGod and thank you for the reply. Also, what you are saying is true about how JWs at one time taught certain things as if it was food from God, however, for some reason, they don't seem to ever want to admit this publicly.

    Does the soul reside in the heart? Not in all cultures. There is a tribe of natives in Papua New Gunea believe that the soul lives in the stomach. When Wycliff went in to translate the Bible, the natives read the book and then went on their way with no impact on their lives. Why would they want Jesus 'in their heart?' It didn't make any sence to them.

    Then some smart cookie caught on to the cultural difference. The text was changed so that the understanding was Jesus wanted to come into their stomach. Now the people understood and they became Christians.


    That's interesting. And when I first read what you said, I had to laugh. However, what I'm about to metion is something that I didn't want to say in the thread at the Topix forum, however, now there are studies that suggest that there is a "second brain" in the stomach, so to speak. And I found an article about this at a reputable site:

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19990501-000013.html

    Therefore, the people in Papua New Guinea may have been on to something.  Wink
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